Why Knicks' trade talks for Donovan Mitchell collapsed, and tough decisions now facing New York

Will Knicks prioritize winning with vets or developing young core?

9/9/2022, 3:57 PM
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Knicks executive vice president William Wesley said that the Jazz were asking for an exorbitant return in the Donovan Mitchell trade talks.

Wesley’s thoughts on the trade talks were relayed by Charles Barkley, who said in an interview with Sirius XM NBA Radio that he spoke with the executive Thursday night.

“I said Wes, why didn’t y’all make the [Mitchell] trade? He said, ‘Oh man, don’t go by the media stuff,” Barkley, a Hall of Famer and TNT analyst, said in the interview. “They wanted my wife, my kids…. We wanted the deal, obviously. But he said they wanted my wife, they wanted my kids, they wanted my grandkids. They were just trying to rip somebody off. So he said… ‘Dude, we’re going to have to pass on it.’ And I give those guys credit because you can’t give away everything for a guy. I like Donovan, he’s a very good player. It was the first time in a long time the Knicks actually [showed restraint].”

The Knicks and Jazz talked over a time period of at least six weeks about a potential Mitchell trade. The Jazz had strong interest in New York’s RJ Barrett. The Knicks wouldn’t give Utah what it was asking for in any trade packages – with or without Barrett – prior to extending Barrett last month.

The day after New York extended Barrett, Cleveland reached out to Utah to rekindle Mitchell trade talks.

The Jazz and the Cavs reached an agreement two days later. Utah and New York didn’t formally speak after Cleveland re-entered negotiations with the Cavs.

The Knicks felt that they made offers to Utah that were equal to – or better than – the offer Utah accepted from the Cavs.

The Cavs package included three unprotected first-round picks, two first-round pick swaps, Lauri Markkanen, rookie wing Ochai Agbaji and guard Collin Sexton.

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In talks with Utah, the Knicks made offers for Mitchell that included three unprotected first-round picks and didn’t include Barrett, per SNY sources. The club also made offers that included Barrett, two unprotected first-round picks and the 2025 first-round pick from Milwaukee, which is top-four protected, per sources.

Some of those offers included multiple young Knicks players and didn’t include Barrett. Some, as noted above, did include Barrett.

Just my opinion: The Knicks could have made an offer to Utah that it couldn’t refuse. The club could have made an offer that didn’t include Barrett, but included enough picks/players to make it impossible for Utah to decline.

There’s been some speculation that the Jazz didn’t negotiate in good faith with the Knicks. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I’d be surprised if it was. As SNY reported, some high-ranking Jazz officials were surprised and upset to see Wesley sitting courtside at the Jazz-Mavs playoff series. Maybe the Jazz were still upset about it three months after the fact. But I’d be surprised if Utah was calculated in stringing New York along for two months of negotiations just to spite them by taking a deal they didn’t really want from the Cavs.

As stated above, I think the Knicks could have made Utah an offer that it couldn’t refuse.

The club decided not to do that and now New York moves forward with a young core that includes Barrett, Quentin Grimes, Julius Randle, Mitchell Robinson, Obi Toppin and Immanuel Quickley.

Will the Knicks make any roster-altering moves prior to training camp? That’s unclear.

If they don’t make any moves, the Knicks will have an interesting decision to make: Will they play veterans like Evan Fournier and Derrick Rose in order to prioritize winning or will they offer more playing time to younger players like Quickley and Cam Reddish in order to obtain more information about them?

The Knicks could try to find a middle ground between playing players like Quickley and Reddish and also giving veterans like Fournier and Rose regular minutes. But if past seasons are any indication, it would be difficult to find that middle ground.

So it will be interesting to see if New York tilts towards playing younger players more minutes and decreasing minutes of some of its veterans. The Randle/Toppin dynamic also fits this discussion to a lesser degree. Will the Knicks give Toppin more minutes in his third NBA season or will his minutes be similar to the 17.1 that he averaged last season?

One way for young players to put themselves in position to earn playing time? Show up to training camp in great shape. That’s something that Tom Thibodeau has stressed to his teams throughout his coaching career. So if a player – let’s say Reddish or Toppin – shows up in great shape and the players competing with him for minutes are in poor condition, the well-conditioned player will have a head start on earning regular-season minutes.

Mar 30, 2022; New York, New York, USA; New York Knicks forward Julius Randle (30) drives to the basket against Charlotte Hornets guard Terry Rozier (3) and forward P.J. Washington (25) during the fourth quarter at Madison Square Garden. / Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
Mar 30, 2022; New York, New York, USA; New York Knicks forward Julius Randle (30) drives to the basket against Charlotte Hornets guard Terry Rozier (3) and forward P.J. Washington (25) during the fourth quarter at Madison Square Garden. / Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

RANDLE TO KNICKS FANS: ‘I GOT YA’LL’

Randle’s struggles last season became one of the biggest talking points around New York’s sub-par 2021-22 season. Will Randle bounce back this season to the All-NBA form that he showed in 2020-21? That’s one of many interesting subplots to this season. Randle showed appreciation for a Knick fan supporting him on Instagram this week.

Randle replied to a fan that posted: ‘Knicks fans believe in you!’ He wrote, “I got ya’ll!” Another fan wrote, “Keep grinding big dawg. It’s all love here. Not too many can do this ---- in NY, you already proved before that you can.”

Randle said, “all love!” with a prayer hands emoji.

Randle publicly battled fans at one point during 2021-22 and later apologized to the fan base for his actions. Strong individual and team play from Randle – and some wins from the Knicks – will probably lead to full support from the Garden crowd once again. So that’s something that bears watching early on in 2022-23.

FINAL NUMBERS ON BARRETT EXTENSION

Barrett’s extension starts at $23.9 million guaranteed in Year 1 (2023-24) and ends at $29.6 million in Year 4. There are no player or team options. Barrett’s deal can be worth as much as $120 million over four years. It contains roughly $4 million in bonuses in each season. 

Those bonuses are tied to All-NBA selections, All-Star selections or All Defensive team selections, as SNY reported.

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